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bush imposed steel tariffs to benefit in a sense people in ohio and pennsylvania. then you have other issues for example the fate of the fishing industry in terms of over regulation you never hear about that because it's disproportionately in states like massachusetts that don't matter. the other thing you too have is a state like california or texas, you have these huge states with candidates go and use them as atm machines, fundraise and leave without meeting the rank-and-file voters. >> absolutely. i'm from the state of texas and we live in new york and there's been, you know, some evidence that people get discouraged and don't feel their vote counts and they don't turn out to vote in states like texas that's solid red. >> in last election if you voted for barack obama in texas your vote does not count. on the official tally all it says is the electoral votes went to john mccain just like in california, if you had voted for john mccain it does not count even though millions of voters did. >> we love having you on. i'm sure we'll see you in the next few days beca
bush imposed steel tariffs to benefit in a sense people in ohio and pennsylvania. then you have other issues for example the fate of the fishing industry in terms of over regulation you never hear about that because it's disproportionately in states like massachusetts that don't matter. the other thing you too have is a state like california or texas, you have these huge states with candidates go and use them as atm machines, fundraise and leave without meeting the rank-and-file voters....
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gave george bush sr. a 26 be point lead. it's basically friendly to democrats since then but still is a place where there are more registered republicans than democrats and if you look in the southeast part of the state the two most populace counties across the massachusetts border there's a legacy of people there that fled massachusetts, moved into these bedroom communities. they are actually, they are the people romney is counting on because they don't like taxes or government. >> this guy i go hunting with said to me last weekend, you know, these ron paul voters, they are great but too busy writing their manifestos to take time out to vote. >> you pointed out how close it has been in. these elections. new hampshire has gone democratic in the last four out of five elections. it's hard to flip a state. one of those historic moments of flipping, obama won this by nine points in '08. silver has obama up by two and a half points. these people know romney really well. if they still haven't come around to say it's romney then i
gave george bush sr. a 26 be point lead. it's basically friendly to democrats since then but still is a place where there are more registered republicans than democrats and if you look in the southeast part of the state the two most populace counties across the massachusetts border there's a legacy of people there that fled massachusetts, moved into these bedroom communities. they are actually, they are the people romney is counting on because they don't like taxes or government. >> this...
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again, i go back to where bush was in terms of 2004, around 17. maybe a little bit higher than that. i mean, one of the things that steve gets at in terms of what ron brownstein has raised and that is one of the things the pollsters are struggling with is the sort of racial composition of the electorate, what will it look like in terms of this election in contrast to 2008 and 2004 and so when people are looking at the polls that's one of the dynamics that pollsters are struggling with. >> david winston, steve mcmahon, thanks so much, guys, good to see you. have a good weekend. >>> also making news this weekend what we've been talking about the dangerous combination brewing out in the atlantic right now. hurricane sandy is moving north and soon she could combine with a nor'easter and that would create an even more powerful and damaging storm. weather channel meteorologist mike seidel joins me live from singer island, florida, what's the latest there? >> reporter: hey, good morning, chris. out here the beach is getting hit pretty hard. this was expe
again, i go back to where bush was in terms of 2004, around 17. maybe a little bit higher than that. i mean, one of the things that steve gets at in terms of what ron brownstein has raised and that is one of the things the pollsters are struggling with is the sort of racial composition of the electorate, what will it look like in terms of this election in contrast to 2008 and 2004 and so when people are looking at the polls that's one of the dynamics that pollsters are struggling with. >>...
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bush re-elected in 2004. you look at that. and you just wonder, steve rattner. i will say this. in 2004 at this point, george w. bush had a 51%, 52% approval rating. this president is still below 50%, so it's hard to tell. >> i get the behavioral thing, and we all know what happened in 1980 when in the last few days people sort of said i'm not going that way. but i think what's different here is the fact that the economy is actually getting better and people are perceiving it getting better. there was another gallup poll out yesterday which has not gotten as much attention where for the first time in five years, more americans think they're better off than think they're worse off over the last four years. and the numbers are very similar to what they were in 2004 and in 1984. >> 1984, the reagan landslide. >> exactly. i get that point. i think obama's got the ground game, and i think he does have a bit of momentum from the economy. >> if we're going to talk about behavioral psychology, there is one more jobs
bush re-elected in 2004. you look at that. and you just wonder, steve rattner. i will say this. in 2004 at this point, george w. bush had a 51%, 52% approval rating. this president is still below 50%, so it's hard to tell. >> i get the behavioral thing, and we all know what happened in 1980 when in the last few days people sort of said i'm not going that way. but i think what's different here is the fact that the economy is actually getting better and people are perceiving it getting...
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respect colin powell even though we've had our issue was him in terms of his relationship with the bush administration. we have a tremendous amount of respect for his service and the ways in which he's honored our country with that service. it speaks volumes to the base, independents, and to moderate republicans. >> michelle, sununu issued a statement much so-called clarification. quote, colin powell is a friend and i suspect the endorsement decision he made, and i do not doubt that it was based on anything but his support of the president's policies. but that is not what he said in the interview, is it, michelle? >> no, it's not. this is a great just full-on reversal but at this point i'm not sure why we would be surprised. you're talking about john sununu being the voice of the romney campaign, and i think he's clearly been one of the craziest voices in support of the romney campaign. >> michelle, he's co-chair of the romney campaign. >> i know, but he is also consistently out there making outrageous statements. that's what he does. he is their kind of rabid attack dog. >> that's exac
respect colin powell even though we've had our issue was him in terms of his relationship with the bush administration. we have a tremendous amount of respect for his service and the ways in which he's honored our country with that service. it speaks volumes to the base, independents, and to moderate republicans. >> michelle, sununu issued a statement much so-called clarification. quote, colin powell is a friend and i suspect the endorsement decision he made, and i do not doubt that it...
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in 2000, in gore versus bush, 537 votes changed the direction of history. in a profound way. and the same thing could happen here. so there's no excuse. regardless of who you vote for, folks need to get out there and vote. >> young voters could make a difference, jonathan? >> yes. talk about the ultimate sporadic voters. they are people who may have voted in the 2008 and that might have been the first time they ever voted for one reason or another and we always talk about the youth vote and why politicians don't take them seriously by and large because they don't vote. well, president obama is trying to remind them, one of what they did in 2008 and helping him get into office and also in that clip you showed, showing them just how important that vote -- how much -- how important that vote is and then specifically you notice he said in there, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you should just go out and vote but it's barack obama running for re-election and they hope he votes for him. >> jonathan, krystal, i'll have to leave it there. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank
in 2000, in gore versus bush, 537 votes changed the direction of history. in a profound way. and the same thing could happen here. so there's no excuse. regardless of who you vote for, folks need to get out there and vote. >> young voters could make a difference, jonathan? >> yes. talk about the ultimate sporadic voters. they are people who may have voted in the 2008 and that might have been the first time they ever voted for one reason or another and we always talk about the youth...
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. >> this time around, it seems like you guys are taking a page out of the bush '04 playbook and trying to push these wedge issues, trying to get out your base. let's look at the gender gap problems you're having. it narrowed. in nevada and colorado from our new nbc news/marist poll, in september your victory with women over mitt romney was 14 points in nevada. 16 points in nevada. 14 in colorado. now down to 6 in nevada and 7 in colorado. why is this tightening too much? >> well, we know there are polls every hour. we don't buy into every poll. the important thing about the clip you just played is that this is a fundamental difference in this race. president obama as you saw heard him say believes women should make their own choices. doesn't mean we should defund planned parenthood. this issue this with with mr. mourdock reminded women at what's at stake. it's perplexing to us for days the romney campaign has gone into hiding to avoid answering questions because mitt romney is up on the air with an ad for this candidate. but it's really about the larger issue of women's health. this is
. >> this time around, it seems like you guys are taking a page out of the bush '04 playbook and trying to push these wedge issues, trying to get out your base. let's look at the gender gap problems you're having. it narrowed. in nevada and colorado from our new nbc news/marist poll, in september your victory with women over mitt romney was 14 points in nevada. 16 points in nevada. 14 in colorado. now down to 6 in nevada and 7 in colorado. why is this tightening too much? >> well,...
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colin powell is afraid of the guys who will come in with mitt romney, the kind of guys on that bush policy team. >>> and then tina fey takes on the akin/mourdock wing of the party. let's watch. >> if i have to listen to one more gray-faced man with a $2 haircut explain to me what rape is, i'm going to lose my mind. >> more where that comes from in the "sideshow." >>> finally, let me finish with something that happened 50 years ago and what could happen five months from now. trouble. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> we've got some new polling from some key battleground states. we start in virginia where mitt romney is up by one, 46%/45%. but a ppp poll in virginia commissioned by democratic leaning health care for america now has obama up by five, 51%/46%. next, wisconsin, a new mason dixon poll has president obama holding a two-point lead in wisconsin. meanwhile, the ppp poll has the president up six in wisconsin, 51%,/45%. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." don't take that bet on romney's surge to the bank just yet. it seems president obama has stopped
colin powell is afraid of the guys who will come in with mitt romney, the kind of guys on that bush policy team. >>> and then tina fey takes on the akin/mourdock wing of the party. let's watch. >> if i have to listen to one more gray-faced man with a $2 haircut explain to me what rape is, i'm going to lose my mind. >> more where that comes from in the "sideshow." >>> finally, let me finish with something that happened 50 years ago and what could happen...
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he talks about how the bush administration took colin powell's credibility, wrung it out, used it what they needed to do and discarded him as soon as they used his credibility. colin powell, you know from when he speaks about these guys. >> he said it was one of the biggest mistakes if not the biggest mistake of his career. the extent his star is diminished in terms of an endorsement is exactly because he did that. he was certainly powerful in this endorsement. >> one last question for you. if it is basically a tie heading into election day, do you think a tie favors the incumbent or the challenger? >> i think it favors the incumbent. it seems to me this election is baked, barring some event we don't know. and, yes, there is a small undecided vote. i think it's about get out the vote. if you believe the romney campaign, oh, they have a much better get out the vote program in ohio because they're doing much more than was done by mccain four years ago. they're not measuring it against obama and the democrats. i think that's what it's about now. i think glenn beck is a pathetic effort on
he talks about how the bush administration took colin powell's credibility, wrung it out, used it what they needed to do and discarded him as soon as they used his credibility. colin powell, you know from when he speaks about these guys. >> he said it was one of the biggest mistakes if not the biggest mistake of his career. the extent his star is diminished in terms of an endorsement is exactly because he did that. he was certainly powerful in this endorsement. >> one last question...
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may not be florida but could we be heading to a repeat of the razor thin 2000 election when president bush won the electoral vote even though al gore won the popular vote with president obama leading in most battlegrounds and governor romney ahead in the national vote, we can't rule out that scenario, i want to bring out pollster greenberg. let's start with the battleground of ohio, the most critical state on the map for both campaigns and as we look at the latest polling there it does favor the president the numbers range anywhere from a tie to the president being up by five points as we see in the latette "time" magazine poll, how close is the race in the buckeye state really? >> the race is close but there isn't any doubt that the president is ahead and i think holding his lead, you know, statistically people talk about margin of error but it actually does not apply. if you do five is your fsurveys and four out of five have him ahead there's a probability he'll carry ohio. and the same thing's true in nevada and the same's true in iowa and these are states key to producing electoral col
may not be florida but could we be heading to a repeat of the razor thin 2000 election when president bush won the electoral vote even though al gore won the popular vote with president obama leading in most battlegrounds and governor romney ahead in the national vote, we can't rule out that scenario, i want to bring out pollster greenberg. let's start with the battleground of ohio, the most critical state on the map for both campaigns and as we look at the latest polling there it does favor...
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four years later, once george bush got up to 269 electoral votes after he was awarded ohio by a couple network, they stopped. they didn't call the race because there was a possibility that john kerry might challenge it. >> let's look at the red states and the blue states back when nbc create d it. tom brokaw using it when ronald reagan sweep covered most of the country physically. the blue was dominant. let's listen. >> we'll call another state for ronald reagan. it's a big one. it's his home state of california. 45 electoral votes. ronald reagan picks up his home state of california. he's never lost a race there. we fill in that big chunk of the map with blue. now solid blue practically all the way from the mississippi river westward leaving only oregon and washington. >> it looks like an urban swimming pool over there. >> why did democrats get stuck with blue? blue is a pretty good color. i wouldn't want it to be the red state if you were a democrat. >> that could have been one reason why it changed. the electoral map was created at nbc in 1976 by john chancellor. they wanted to do s
four years later, once george bush got up to 269 electoral votes after he was awarded ohio by a couple network, they stopped. they didn't call the race because there was a possibility that john kerry might challenge it. >> let's look at the red states and the blue states back when nbc create d it. tom brokaw using it when ronald reagan sweep covered most of the country physically. the blue was dominant. let's listen. >> we'll call another state for ronald reagan. it's a big one....
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he wants to go back to the bush era economics and, you know, barack obama and joe biden have got to spend the next 13 days making a strong case for why their vision of the economy is the vision we need for the next four years. >> greg, want to do something quickly because i want to -- there's so much rhetoric flying out. put out an actual number, the gdp came out, up 2% in the most recent quarter. that's up from 1.3% in the quarter prior. a little bit more than we expected, but not booming. can you use your big economic brain and context actualize this for us? what does this mean for -- what does it tell you about the economy. >> more of the same. the economy has been growing around the 2% rate. this is the number one reason obama is struggling. behind all the rhetoric and shift in tone the main message of the romney campaign continues to be the economy will defeat obama why they don't need the specifics. now the irony here i think is buried in the numbers that are coming out all the time you can see the signs of the economy beginning to turn. consumer sentiment is at a five-year high. th
he wants to go back to the bush era economics and, you know, barack obama and joe biden have got to spend the next 13 days making a strong case for why their vision of the economy is the vision we need for the next four years. >> greg, want to do something quickly because i want to -- there's so much rhetoric flying out. put out an actual number, the gdp came out, up 2% in the most recent quarter. that's up from 1.3% in the quarter prior. a little bit more than we expected, but not...
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four years later when once george bush got up to 269 electoral votes after awarded ohio by a couple of networks, they stopped. they did not call the race because there was a possibility that john kerry might challenge it. caution has prevailed ever since. >> let's look at the red states and blue states back when nbc created it. here is david brokaw and david brinkley using it in the ronald reagan sweep. the republicans designated color at that time was dominant. let's listen. >> we're going to call another state for ronald reagan. not surprisingly, it's a big one. california. 45 electoral votes. ronald reagan picks up his home state of california. he's never lost a race there. and we fill in that big chunk of the map once again with blue. now solid blue practically all the way from the mississippi river westerly. >> it's getting to look like a suburban swimming pool there. >> steve, i love that stuff. tell me about something i did not know until i got your book today. why did democrats get stuck with blue? blue is a pretty good color. back in the cold war i wouldn't want to be the red
four years later when once george bush got up to 269 electoral votes after awarded ohio by a couple of networks, they stopped. they did not call the race because there was a possibility that john kerry might challenge it. caution has prevailed ever since. >> let's look at the red states and blue states back when nbc created it. here is david brokaw and david brinkley using it in the ronald reagan sweep. the republicans designated color at that time was dominant. let's listen. >>...